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From my Brother Ron, along with some late comments -- This information is from a study he started and shared with me. This may help is seeing where we are coming from on this issue --- Strong's Numbering system used throughout. This is a rough draftm meant for consideration and to encourage further study by others in expanding our knowledge concerning our Creator and how He controls what man cannot. Earthquake or Tempest (Gale) G4578 se?sµ?´? seismos sice-mos' From G4579; a commotion, that is, (of the air) a gale, (of the ground) an earthquake: - Earthquake found in 10 verses Trying to find the a the proper meaning when using the Greek seismos is gale , earthquake or commotion these alone could be underestimated or even not get the correct meaning across then again maybe this is all that’s needed. The following verses hold to being earthquake by staying in context using the above Greek word seismos. Mat 24:7 ForG1063
nationG1484
shall riseG1453
againstG1909
nation,G1484
andG2532
kingdomG932
againstG1909
kingdom:G932
andG2532
there shall beG2071
famines,G3042
andG2532
pestilences,G3061
andG2532
earthquakes,G4578
inG2596
divers places.G5117
Mat 27:54 NowG1161 when theG3588 centurion,G1543 andG2532 theyG3588 that were withG3326 him,G846 watchingG5083 Jesus,G2424 sawG1492 theG3588
earthquake,G4578 andG2532 those things that were done,G1096 they fearedG5399 greatly,G4970 saying,G3004 TrulyG230 thisG3778 wasG2258 the SonG5207 of God.G2316
Mat 28:2 And,G2532 behold,G2400 there wasG1096 a greatG3173
earthquake:G4578 forG1063 the angelG32 of the LordG2962 descendedG2597 fromG1537 heaven,G3772 and cameG4334 and rolled backG617 theG3588 stoneG3037 fromG575 theG3588 door,G2374 andG2532 satG2521 uponG1883 it.G846
Mar 13:8 ForG1063
nationG1484
shall riseG1453
againstG1909
nation,G1484
andG2532
kingdomG932
againstG1909
kingdom:G932
andG2532
there shall beG2071
earthquakesG4578
in divers places,G2596 G5117
andG2532
there shall beG2071
faminesG3042
andG2532
troubles:G5016
theseG5023
are
the beginningsG746
of sorrows.G5604
Luk Act ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following reference to earthquake is probably correct, again staying within the context of the following verses. Rev 6:15 AndG2532 theG3588 kingsG935 of theG3588 earth,G1093 andG2532 theG3588 great men,G3175 andG2532 theG3588 rich men,G4145 andG2532 theG3588 chief captains,G5506 andG2532 theG3588 mighty men,G1415 andG2532 everyG3956 bondman,G1401 andG2532 everyG3956 free man,G1658 hidG2928 themselvesG1438 inG1519 theG3588 densG4693 andG2532 inG1519 theG3588 rocksG4073 of theG3588 mountains;G3735
Rev 11:13 AndG2532 the sameG1565 hourG5610 wasG1096 there a greatG3173 earthquake,G4578andG2532 theG3588 tenth partG1182 of theG3588 cityG4172 fell,G4098 andG2532 inG1722 theG3588 earthquakeG4578 were slainG615 of(G3686) menG444 sevenG2033 thousand:G5505 andG2532 theG3588 remnantG3062 wereG1096 affrighted,G1719 andG2532 gaveG1325 gloryG1391 to theG3588 GodG2316 of heaven.G3772
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following verses demonstrate a significant difference from previous verses quoted, as we see other events associated along with the "earthquake"; of voices thundering’s lightings and an earthquake as used in the Old Testament against Egypt and also at Mount Sinai and then in the book of Revelation. The meaning I may be looking for is, perhaps, something more than just a gale, earthquake, or commotion could be found in these verses. Rev 8:5 AndG2532 theG3588 angelG32 tookG2983 theG3588 censer,G3031 andG2532 filledG1072 itG846 withG1537 fireG4442 of theG3588 altar,G2379 andG2532 castG906
it intoG1519 theG3588 earth:G1093 andG2532
there wereG1096 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunderings,G1027 andG2532 lightnings,G796 andG2532 an earthquake.G4578
Rev 11:19 AndG2532 theG3588 templeG3485 of GodG2316 was openedG455 inG1722 heaven,G3772 andG2532 there was seenG3700 inG1722 hisG848 templeG3485 theG3588 arkG2787 of hisG848 testament:G1242 andG2532 there wereG1096
lightnings,G796 andG2532 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunderings,G1027 andG2532 an earthquake,G4578 andG2532 greatG3173 hail.G5464
My (brother Dan) comments in living color: Rev 11:18-19 "The Wrath is come, and the nations are angry – the beginning:" There is a reading of this verse then there is a proper reading. When checking another version you will see a colon used and a period in others. The KJV uses a colon right after the statement “testament”: (verse 19) indicating what follows is a continuation of thought or vision, separate from the previous statement. In other words, the lighting, voices, thundering and earthquake and great hail are not in heaven but a continuation of the subject found in the previous verse (18). What this would mean +.-- the visual demonstration recorded by John that the “ark of HIS TESTIMONY” is true and about to be brought and enforced. His “covenant” is seen, meaning it is not finished. No doubt, as you have pointed out, there could not be an “earthquake” in heaven. The book of revelation does this quite often, interjecting observations, sometimes in whole chapters and other times single verses such as this one. The proper dividing of the word is not always followed by the translators as they only see the words. I suppose you could insist the word for “earthquake” should be, “commotion” but we need to remember, what we are seeing in The Temple in Heaven there would not be this kind of confusion. Here is a second look: This is Rev chapter 11, the 7th Trumpet has sounded, the Two Prophets have been killed and raised to YaHshua in the air. We are the told the time has come for YaHshua to take over and that the nations are angry, the I could be wrong? Rev 16:18 AndG2532 there wereG1096 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunders,G1027 andG2532 lightnings;G796 andG2532 there wasG1096 a greatG3173 earthquake,G4578 such asG3634 wasG1096 notG3756 sinceG575 G3739 menG444 wereG1096 uponG1909 theG3588 earth,G1093 so mightyG5082 an earthquake,G4578
and soG3779 great.G3173
Rev 16:19 AndG2532 theG3588 greatG3173 cityG4172 was dividedG1096 intoG1519 threeG5140 parts,G3313 andG2532 theG3588 citiesG4172 of theG3588 nationsG1484 fell:G4098 andG2532 greatG3173 BabylonG897 came in remembranceG3415 beforeG1799 God,G2316 to giveG1325 unto herG846 theG3588 cupG4221 of theG3588 wineG3631 of the fiercenessG2372 of hisG848 wrath.G3709
Rev 16:20 AndG2532 everyG3956 islandG3520 fled away,G5343 andG2532 the mountainsG3735 were notG3756 found.G2147
Rev 16:21 AndG2532 there fellG2597 uponG1909 menG444 a greatG3173 hailG5464 out ofG1537 heaven,G3772
every stone aboutG5613 the weight of a talent:G5006 andG2532 menG444 blasphemedG987 GodG2316 because ofG1537 theG3588 plagueG4127 of theG3588 hail;G5464 forG3754 theG3588 plagueG4127 thereofG848 wasG2076 exceedingG4970 great.G3173
His Wrath – it is here: The Great City is divided physically divided and, “… so mighty and earthquake…” as never before -- cities fall, mountains no more, Island gone and a great hail falls on men – His Wrath and the same wording is used as in Rev 11, where His wrath is coming and here in Rev 16 we see His Wrath in action. Same wording, same subject at a different time with some details added. It seems to me, when you have a choice in definitions from Strong’s the “earthquake” fits better than “gale” or “commotion”. Here in the old test these verses show the mountain quaked fire a voice of the trumpet and of thunder and in Ps77:18 the earth trembled an earthquake now look at Ex Exo 19:18 And mountH2022 SinaiH5514 was altogetherH3605 on a smoke,H6225 becauseH4480 H6440 H834 the LORDH3068 descendedH3381 uponH5921 it in fire:H784 and the smokeH6227 thereof ascendedH5927 as the smokeH6227 of a furnace,H3536 and the wholeH3605 mountH2022 quakedH2729 greatly.H3966
Exo 19:19 And whenH1961 the voiceH6963 of the trumpetH7782 sounded long,H1980 and waxed louder and louder,H2388 H3966 MosesH4872 spake,H1696 and GodH430 answeredH6030 him by a voice.H6963
Psa 77:18 The voiceH6963 of thy thunderH7482
was in the heaven:H1534 the lightningsH1300 lightenedH215 the world:H8398 the earthH776 trembledH7264 and shook.H7493
Isa 29:6 Thou shalt be visitedH6485 ofH4480 H5973 the LORDH3068 of hostsH6635 with thunder,H7482 and with earthquake,H7494 and greatH1419 noise,H6963 with stormH5492 and tempest,H5591 and the flameH3851 of devouringH398 fire.H784
Exo 19:16 And it came to passH1961 on the thirdH7992 dayH3117 in the morning,H1242 that there wereH1961
thundersH6963 and lightnings,H1300 and a thickH3515 cloudH6051 uponH5921 the mount,H2022 and the voiceH6963 of the trumpetH7782 exceedingH3966 loud;H2389 so that allH3605 the peopleH5971 thatH834
was in the campH4264 trembled.H2729
looking at the above verses where it does not have voices thunder lighting sometimes hail earthquake would be correct that would include the first great quake, but when the voices thunders lighting earthquake could be more not just of the ground but also of the people. look at the verse in Rev 6 the people are saying his wrath has come because of an earthquake and what follows and they are afraid but he hasn't come yet but in Rev 8 the angle cast the censer to the earth that’s when the voice thunder lightings and quaking really come into play perhaps the important thing isn't in the earthquake or gale but the tie in to his wrath of the V T L H Q Egypt went thru this in exodus use these very same terms perhaps because it already happened to them they are not singled out as some are in Rev. More living color comments from me: His Wrath Is Come Rev 6: I’m beginning to have second thoughts about seeing the two “earthquakes” mentioned, one in Rev 6 and the one in Rev 11 and the third one in Rev 16 as, perhaps, being one and the same. The differences in the details may be just as three witnesses witnessing the same event from lightly different angles. No, wait, the Rev 6 is missing a very important detail and the timing does not jib with that of Rev 11. In 6 we see the “earthquake” then the people hide from His approach in Rev 11 He has arrived, the nations are not fearful, hiding, but angry, rebellious, and then we see the earthy commotions then in Rev 16, we are told of an earthquake that is the greatest of all time. Ok, I am back on track, I lost it there for a moment. These are three different events, all part of the Lamb’s Wrath and the Wrath of our Heavenly Father. Whew, my head was swimming for a minute there. |